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iTunes App Store Search Broken?

astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
If you search for something, shouldn't it come back with the exact match first? i.e. if you search for "Video Player" and there is an app called "Video Player", I'd expect that to be the first result.

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  • anappdev2anappdev2 Posts: 97New Users @
    Its not that simple unfortunately. Lots of developers have complained about it for a very long time now :(
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    Wow, I didn't realise it was so knackered. It really should be that simple. I knew developers were complaining, but for it to not even be able to find an exact match ...
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    I guess at least the EU has the powers to fix the search for them:
    https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/05/eu-legislation-make-app-stores-fair.html
  • iekeiiekei Posts: 565Registered Users @ @ @
    That app name is really generic. It's made up of two common keywords.
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    edited May 13
    Yes, it is an example and intentionally so. If you search for something it is normal for the exact match to come first. If I had given the example of "Halibut Sandwich" you might not have understood the issue. Try searching for your exact app name. You might be lucky. Some of my apps do come first, but not all.
  • iekeiiekei Posts: 565Registered Users @ @ @
    It works on some of my apps, and doesn't work on others. The weird thing that I don't understand is that in one case, my app appears low in the results below apps which have absolutely no connection whatsoever with mine. There's nothing similar in the app names or function, and it's extremely unlikely that the higher ranking apps have my app name in their keywords.
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    edited May 13
    They're trying to be clever, but just ending up with the crappiest of search algorithms. If it has no connection why are they engineering the search to put those before yours, because, you know what, they ARE engineering it that way. I think the EU will investigate. We need an honest app store that doesn't have curated chart positions or a rigged search. Either that or we need 3rd party app stores with transparency. It can't stay like this.
  • iekeiiekei Posts: 565Registered Users @ @ @
    edited May 13
    I don't know if it's intentional or not. One app of mine appeared in search results for terms that weren't in the app name or keywords.
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    Given how long the app store has been around, and how many Apple employees work on it, it is definitely intentional. These are schoolboy errors. They do change the algorithm regularly tho' so there is hope ...
  • Crichton333Crichton333 Posts: 272Registered Users @ @
    If they sorted the results for "Video Player" then it would be like Facebook search where you have a million results that are 99% the same if you search for a generic name like "John Smith". Its a guarantee that you would never find the "John Smith" you need.
    "Smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast." -- iOS: Nebula Virtual Reality
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    edited May 13
    If they sorted the results for "Video Player" then it would be like Facebook search where you have a million results that are 99% the same if you search for a generic name like "John Smith". Its a guarantee that you would never find the "John Smith" you need.

    Yes, it was just an example to help explain the issue. But you'd expect "John Smith" to be first wouldn't you, even if there were lots of them? Right now if I search for "John Smith" I get "Sarah Williams" first.
  • Crichton333Crichton333 Posts: 272Registered Users @ @
    astersdo wrote: »
    Yes, it was just an example to help explain the issue. But you'd expect "John Smith" to be first wouldn't you, even if there were lots of them? Right now if I search for "John Smith" I get "Sarah Williams" first.

    Yep I get it, in a perfect search scenario you would be right but in real life there are just too many what ifs. Other apps that rank and show above the search term you look for are there because people that search for something end up installing that instead of the app that matches exactly by title.

    If you get "Sarah Williams" above "John Smith" that means people select her even if they search "John Smith".

    Its like when you enter "guy who played Iron Man" and you get "Robert Downey Jr" and not an app thats called "guy who played Iron Man".


    "Smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast." -- iOS: Nebula Virtual Reality
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    astersdo wrote: »
    Yes, it was just an example to help explain the issue. But you'd expect "John Smith" to be first wouldn't you, even if there were lots of them? Right now if I search for "John Smith" I get "Sarah Williams" first.

    Yep I get it, in a perfect search scenario you would be right but in real life there are just too many what ifs. Other apps that rank and show above the search term you look for are there because people that search for something end up installing that instead of the app that matches exactly by title.

    If you get "Sarah Williams" above "John Smith" that means people select her even if they search "John Smith".

    Its like when you enter "guy who played Iron Man" and you get "Robert Downey Jr" and not an app thats called "guy who played Iron Man".


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  • HellraiserHellraiser vnPosts: 2New Users Noob
    Yes! is broken!!!
    When you search for any trending keyword you will see: 8 ball pool, rolling sky, color switch, piano tiles, Super mario... in the top of search result;
    This is an sample:

    "Floor is Lava" is new game released Jun 2,2017 and the tearm "Floor is lava" is new for the appstore. "Rolling sky" updated May 26 before "floor is lava" release. But "Rolling sky" still show in "Floor is lava" floor is lava search result.

    Can anyone explain for me what's going on?
    This is not fair for indie developer!!!!
  • Crichton333Crichton333 Posts: 272Registered Users @ @
    Hellraiser wrote: »
    Yes! is broken!!!
    When you search for any trending keyword you will see: 8 ball pool, rolling sky, color switch, piano tiles, Super mario... in the top of search result;
    This is an sample:

    "Floor is Lava" is new game released Jun 2,2017 and the tearm "Floor is lava" is new for the appstore. "Rolling sky" updated May 26 before "floor is lava" release. But "Rolling sky" still show in "Floor is lava" floor is lava search result.

    Can anyone explain for me what's going on?
    This is not fair for indie developer!!!!

    "Floor is lava" is a popular and well known game in real life. The term was trending many times before even if a mobile game did or did not exist. Big time titles just had it under keywords.
    "Smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast." -- iOS: Nebula Virtual Reality
  • HellraiserHellraiser vnPosts: 2New Users Noob
    I monitor many keyword, and "Floor is lava" is one sample.

    "Floor is lava" release Jun 2 and these game (8 ball pool, rolling sky...) not showing in search result when you search for "Floor is lava". But in Jun 6 when "Floor is lava" jump to top 1 games USA, these game suddenly show in search result, many of these game not update after jun 2 at all! and now when you seach for "Floor is lava" many and many Big title show in search result.

    I think may have some bug at search ads, when they see "floor is lava" jump to top 1 they create new ads campain and focus on "floor is lava" keyword and then they also show in search result.

    Another report here: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/228741#228741
  • smashingsmashing Posts: 289Registered Users @ @
    Do lower App ID's get better search positions?
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  • Crichton333Crichton333 Posts: 272Registered Users @ @
    Hellraiser wrote: »
    "Floor is lava" release Jun 2 and these game (8 ball pool, rolling sky...) not showing in search result when you search for "Floor is lava". But in Jun 6 when "Floor is lava" jump to top 1 games USA, these game suddenly show in search result, many of these game not update after jun 2 at all! and now when you seach for "Floor is lava" many and many Big title show in search result.

    Interesting. I also follow keywords. When a new popular term shows up there can be lets say 3 games under that search, after a few hours it gets populated with lets say 10 spam games that can have a last update date like 6 months before that. Usually that Fidget spinner or Hoverboard clones.

    Most confusing is that one Flappy bird clone that shows under every search you make.



    "Smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast." -- iOS: Nebula Virtual Reality
  • astersdoastersdo USAPosts: 558New Users @ @ @
    Apple make amazing hardware but they're completely clueless on search, and their crappy search benefits them so why should they care? Indie's might as well forget it until the algorithm changes again. Hopefully the EU will open up the App Store at some point i.e. let 3rd parties sell apps, but that is years away.
  • sparksosparkso Posts: 507Registered Users @ @ @
    you know , i have a broken app that doesn't work at anymore since 3 years ago, with 1-star reviews. and it is ranked top in the USA when you search for that genre of card game. Yup, search results had been broken for a long long time.
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