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I'm very dissapointed... and frankly, I'm considering the dev effort almost lost....
Ok, let's be concise... In some threads I've seen that some people is thinking about suing Apple about the breach of contract (the famous 45 days)...
Some people are owed a lot of money, some people a couple of thousands....
Since I'm not in the USA, I don't have a clue if we can join from different countries, that's why I would like to know if this is even feasible (or Apple knew this from the beginning so, I'm screwed...)...
I'm very dissapointed... and frankly, I'm considering the dev effort almost lost....
Ok, let's be concise... In some threads I've seen that some people is thinking about suing Apple about the breach of contract (the famous 45 days)...
Some people are owed a lot of money, some people a couple of thousands....
Since I'm not in the USA, I don't have a clue if we can join from different countries, that's why I would like to know if this is even feasible (or Apple knew this from the beginning so, I'm screwed...)...
I'm also a non-US developer (UK) and I'm still finishing High School so I'm not sure how any if this works but if it is possible to take legal action against them I am all for it.
I'm also a non-US developer (UK) and I'm still finishing High School so I'm not sure how any if this works but if it is possible to take legal action against them I am all for it.
30 something year old family man with bills to pay owed 1,000's (soon to be 10's of thousands if March is missed also) here. :(
30 something year old family man with bills to pay owed 1,000's (soon to be 10's of thousands if March is missed also) here. :(
I'm with you. I am a 30 year old work-from-home Dad of 2 kids. I'm owed probably about $10k at this point ($2k from past months, $8k from the month with no payments or financial reports yet).
Ok, I'm sending a mail to "Infante, Zumpano, Hudson & Miloch, LLC". This firm contacted me some days ago regarding some kind of missunderstanding....
The clause is the following:
"3.5 Upon collection of any amounts from any end-user as the price for any Licensed Application delivered to that end-user hereunder, Apple shall deduct the full amount of its commission with respect to that Licensed Application, and any taxes collected by Apple under Section 3.2 hereof, and shall remit to You, or issue a credit in Your favor, as the case may be, the remainder of those prices on a monthly basis, no later than forty-five (45) days following the close of the month in which that amount was received by Apple.Each remittance by Apple under this Section 3.5 shall be accompanied by a sales report in sufficient detail to permit You to verify the accuracy and completeness of the amount remitted by Apple. You hereby acknowledge and agree that Apple shall be entitled to a commission, in accordance with this Section 3.5 on the delivery of any Licensed Application to any end-user, even if Apple is unable to collect the price for that Licensed Application from that end-user. In the event that the purchase price received by Apple from any end-user for any Licensed Application is in a currency other than the remittance currency agreed between Apple and You, the purchase price for that Licensed Application shall be converted to the remittance currency, and the amount to be remitted by Apple to You shall be determined, in accordance with an exchange rate fixed for the Delivery Period, as reflected in Exhibit C attached hereto. Apple may provide a means on iTunes Connect to enable You to designate a primary currency for the bank account designated by You for receiving remittances (Designated Currency). Apple may cause Apple's bank to convert all remittances in any remittance currency other than the Designated Currency into the Designated Currency prior to remittance to You. You agree that any resulting currency exchange differentials or fees charged by Apple's bank may be deducted from such remittances. You remain responsible for any fees (e.g., wire transfer fees) charged by Your bank or any intermediary banks between Your bank and Apples bank.
I guess that's why they changed the financial reports stating now the withold and taxes...
Ok, I'm sending a mail to "Infante, Zumpano, Hudson & Miloch, LLC". This firm contacted me some days ago regarding some kind of missunderstanding....
The clause is the following:
I guess that's why they changed the financial reports stating now the withold and taxes...
You know, a simple solution would be for Apple to allow a choice between "check" or "wire". That way all of these screwed up wire transfers that people are getting won't happen. A good example is the purchase of WaMu to Chase that screwed me. If I had a "send me a check every month" option, I wouldnt be in this non-payment situation because I wouldn't have had to worry about some damn SWIFT code changing on me.
You know, a simple solution would be for Apple to allow a choice between "check" or "wire". That way all of these screwed up wire transfers that people are getting won't happen. A good example is the purchase of WaMu to Chase that screwed me. If I had a "send me a check every month" option, I wouldnt be in this non-payment situation because I wouldn't have had to worry about some damn SWIFT code changing on me.
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I was telling kieran12 that I observed this particular behavior a way of managing things with some people by itunes payments... It's like a technique... The fact is that they didn't pay you fully for feb as far as I know, unfortunately for you Murphy's law applied and was the movement for the bank... but this is an excuse for itunes payment to justify not paying you (because it failed!!!) and may be (hope not) posposing the payment until the next cycle...
Hmm I wonder if the technique you are mentionning is to get ride of developers they don't want (you know like people those fart apps)? I am sure all those big company like EA, GameLoft (UBISoft), NGMoco, SEGA, etc... I am sure they dont get the same bad treatment if they had I am sure they will have pull their stuff from the AppStore and sue the hell out of Apple for breach of contract.
This way of not paying some developers make them bored and finally decide to leave by themself. But Apple still didnt change their acceptance policy so they will alway look like an open place and more other small developer will come in to replace the one that left.
Hmmmm maybe I am thinking too much conspiracy thing.... who knows!
You should get this out in the press. I've always had good luck contacting C|Net reporters. This doesn't affect me (yet), so I will leave it to those directly affected.
You should get this out in the press. I've always had good luck contacting C|Net reporters. This doesn't affect me (yet), so I will leave it to those directly affected.
Thank you I sent an email to Tom Krazit (c|net) and techcrunch.com, hope they listen...
Apple still owes me >$7500 since September 2008 for US ans World regions. I supplied them with a new SWIFT code and a intermediary bank they could use last month, but still nothing. Sent them tons of emails but I never got to know what is really wrong/faulty so I just tried to give them another SWIFT code that DNB (Biggest bank in Norway) uses. All other region payments have been OK....
You guys should definitely all get together and do something about it. It's not fair that they're not paying you. You put the time and investment in, they got their money and you can't even get a response. They can't keep doing whatever they want and not face some consequences.
Looks like this thread is already starting to get publicity though, which is good:
I have tweet this story around. Everybody should do the same (they are even a nice retweet link at the end of the article). This should then reach more peoples and probably more medias.
Hopefully it should make Apple to respond somehow.
I have tweet this story around. Everybody should do the same (they are even a nice retweet link at the end of the article). This should then reach more peoples and probably more medias.
Hopefully it should make Apple to respond somehow.
Fred
As Elektrobank & Fred suggest - We all need to spread the news of how Apple is screwing us and putting stress on our finances and families :mad: to make it "important enough" to Apple to resolve it asap.
In dispair. No where to go. They don't reply to emails and there is no number. Can't do anything physically because I'm in the eu
over 15,000 here since Dec last year:mad: Not US citizen. Sent over 40 emails to [email]iTSPayments@apple.com[/email], [email]iTSbanking@apple.com[/email], [email]iTSTax@apple.com[/email], [email]devprograms@apple.com[/email]. The latest they replied email from [email]itspayments@apple.com[/email] was March 6th, said Once my banking is set up and completed with the Banking department, they can issue the payment in the next months payment cycle. after that, No any reply for either inquiring banking setup status and payment email. in despair,
First, handling payment is a common issue with import/export. The banking system is supposed to be wired together, but it doesn't work that way. Remember it is not one single system. The SWIFT is just a common interface that the banks agree to implement - it is like a web service. If something goes wrong, it could be anywhere - could be Apple, Apple's bank, or your bank.
So, the same guideline applies as doing any import/export business. Use the biggeset, more reliable, international bank you can find. Don't use some small local bank or credit union because they charge less monthly fee or offer free checking. I will bet that most of the problems happen with the receiving side, not the sending side.
Apple's problem is customer service and change management. There is no appearance way to change a bank easily, and there is no feedback.
I think Apple should simply require the developers to use assigned banks (for example, bofa, chase or citi in US), and I bet everything would be much smoother. However, I also bet a lot of people will complain about that and say "why cannot I use my community credit union?".
Any words on lawyer costs so far? I'm willing to donate some money (there's a lot of us, we should be able to gather plenty). Let's have them lawyers spank some sense into Apple, with whacks of justice.
By the way, if you are in US, you can easily sue in small claims court for amount under $7500, no attorney required. I am not sure if you have to sue in CA or not.
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like Awesome30 something year old family man with bills to pay owed 1,000's (soon to be 10's of thousands if March is missed also) here. :(
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeThis is a BIG deal for me and my family.
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeThe clause is the following: I guess that's why they changed the financial reports stating now the withold and taxes...
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeThis way of not paying some developers make them bored and finally decide to leave by themself. But Apple still didnt change their acceptance policy so they will alway look like an open place and more other small developer will come in to replace the one that left.
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In dispair. No where to go. They don't reply to emails and there is no number. Can't do anything physically because I'm in the eu
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeMaybe, just maybe, after they get through the growth pains things will smooth out.
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like Awesome*Please take a minute now to comment on the TechCrunch story: iPhone App Developers Threaten To Sue Apple Over Late Payments (TC has a couple million readers)
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeNot US citizen. Sent over 40 emails to [email]iTSPayments@apple.com[/email], [email]iTSbanking@apple.com[/email], [email]iTSTax@apple.com[/email], [email]devprograms@apple.com[/email].
The latest they replied email from [email]itspayments@apple.com[/email] was March 6th, said Once my banking is set up and completed with the Banking department, they can issue the payment in the next months payment cycle. after that, No any reply for either inquiring banking setup status and payment email.
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeSo, the same guideline applies as doing any import/export business. Use the biggeset, more reliable, international bank you can find. Don't use some small local bank or credit union because they charge less monthly fee or offer free checking. I will bet that most of the problems happen with the receiving side, not the sending side.
Apple's problem is customer service and change management. There is no appearance way to change a bank easily, and there is no feedback.
I think Apple should simply require the developers to use assigned banks (for example, bofa, chase or citi in US), and I bet everything would be much smoother. However, I also bet a lot of people will complain about that and say "why cannot I use my community credit union?".
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0 • Off Topic Insightful Disagree Dislike Like AwesomeHowever, I would change the bank first.
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